How to get on a Watchlist (S2, E4): How to Break the Internet

In this episode, we discuss the security of deep-sea internet cables with Dr. Bruce Jones. Bruce Jones is a senior fellow with the Strobe Talbott Center for Security, Strategy, and Technology in the Foreign Policy program at the Brookings Institution; he also works with the Center for East Asia Policy Studies, and is a consulting professor at the Freeman Spogli Institute at Stanford University. His current research focus is on U.S. strategy, international order, and great power relations. His most recent books on the topic are “To Rule the Waves: How Control of the World’s Oceans Shapes the Fate of the Superpowers” (Scribner, 2021); “The Marshall Plan and the Shaping of American Strategy,” (Brookings Institution Press, 2017); and “Still Ours to Lead: America, Rising Powers, and the Tension between Rivalry and Restraint” (Brookings Institution Press, 2014). Dr Jones has extensive experience and expertise on intervention and crisis management. He served in the United Nations’ operation in Kosovo, and was special assistant to the U.N. special coordinator for the Middle East peace process. He was also a senior advisor to Kofi Annan on U.N. reform and served as deputy research director to the U.N.’s High-level Panel on Threats, Challenges and Change, as well as lead scholar for the International Task Force on Global Public Goods. Dr Jones holds a doctorate from the London School of Economics, and he was the Hamburg fellow in conflict prevention at Stanford University.

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How to Break the Internet – How to get on a Watchlist

In this episode, we discuss the security of deep-sea internet cables with Dr. Bruce Jones. Bruce Jones is a senior fellow with the Strobe Talbott Center for Security, Strategy, and Technology in the Foreign Policy program at the Brookings Institution; he also works with the Center for East Asia Policy Studies, and is a consulting professor at the Freeman Spogli Institute at Stanford University. His current research focus is on U.S. strategy, international order, and great power relations. His most recent books on the topic are “To Rule the Waves: How Control of the World’s Oceans Shapes the Fate of the Superpowers” (Scribner, 2021); “The Marshall Plan and the Shaping of American Strategy,” (Brookings Institution Press, 2017); and “Still Ours to Lead: America, Rising Powers, and the Tension between Rivalry and Restraint” (Brookings Institution Press, 2014). Dr Jones has extensive experience and expertise on intervention and crisis management. He served in the United Nations’ operation in Kosovo, and was special assistant to the U.N. special coordinator for the Middle East peace process. He was also a senior advisor to Kofi Annan on U.N. reform and served as deputy research director to the U.N.’s High-level Panel on Threats, Challenges and Change, as well as lead scholar for the International Task Force on Global Public Goods. Dr Jones holds a doctorate from the London School of Economics, and he was the Hamburg fellow in conflict prevention at Stanford University.Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EncyclopediaGeopolitica

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Books and media mentioned during the episode, and suggestions for further research on this topic:

• To Rule the Waves: How Control of the World’s Oceans Shapes the Fate of the Superpowers” (Bruce Jones)
• The Marshall Plan and the Shaping of American Strategy (Bruce Jones)
• Still Ours to Lead: America, Rising Powers, and the Tension between Rivalry and Restraint (Bruce Jones)

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The hosts:

Lewis Sage-Passant is a researcher in the field of intelligence and espionage, and a former British Military Intelligence Officer. Lewis holds a PhD from Loughborough University in intelligence studies, and is an adjunct professor in intelligence at Sciences Po Paris. He has extensive experience working and living in the Middle East and Asia Pacific regions in a variety of geopolitical analysis and intelligence roles, supporting the energy industry, the financial sector, leading technology firms, and the pharmaceuticals sector. He has appeared in numerous media outlets, including the BBC, France24, CNBC, Harvard Business Review, The New Arab, El Mundo, GQ, and others, discussing intelligence, geopolitics, and security topics.

Cormac Mc Garry is a Director at the specialist risk management consultancy Control Risks, managing maritime intelligence and security services. Cormac assists clients in the maritime sector with issues such as piracy, war, terrorism, activism and civil unrest but has also works across other sectors, from pharmaceutical to tech, on emerging and global geopolitical risk. Cormac has previously worked as an Operations Manager in East Africa in land-based close protection, crisis response and special investigations. He also worked at the National Maritime College of Ireland, managing applied research projects with the Irish Naval Service and the broader European maritime community and served in the Irish Reserve Defence Forces.

The production team:

Producer: Edwin Tran

Researchers: Alex Smith, Colin Reed, Edwin Tran, Lewis Sage-Passant, Cormac McGarry

Additional credit goes to several unnamed members of the Encyclopedia Geopolitica team, as well as our colleagues in the intelligence and security community who helped to make this podcast possible

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