In the second installment of our new podcast, we sit down with Dr David Priess to discuss how US Presidents have been removed from office by assassination, or impeachment. We also discuss how to protect a President from physical threats, as well as how Presidents have attempted to cling onto power despite removal attempts. Dr. Priess is the publisher and chief operating officer at Lawfare. He’s a former intelligence officer at the CIA and author of The President’s Book of Secrets, about the relationships between presidents and Top Secret intelligence, and How to Get Rid of a President, about how presidents have left office or been pushed toward the door. He currently teaches graduate seminars on intelligence and the presidency at George Mason University’s Schar School of Policy and Government.
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Books and media mentioned during the episode, and suggestions for further research on this topic:
- How to Get Rid of a President: History’s Guide to Removing Unpopular, Unable, or Unfit Chief Executives (David Priess)
- The President’s Book of Secrets: The Untold Story of Intelligence Briefings to America’s Presidents (David Preiss)
- Zero Fail: The Rise and Fall of the Secret Service (Carol Leonnig)
- The Chatter Podcast: Secret Service Dilemmas and Training with Jon Wackrow
Additional geopolitical reading suggestions can be found on our 2022 reading list
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The hosts:
Lewis Sage-Passant is a Doctoral Researcher in the field of intelligence and former Military Intelligence Officer with extensive experience working and living in the Middle East and North Africa and Asia Pacific regions in a variety of geopolitical analysis, security & conflict risk and threat intelligence roles. Lewis specialises in geopolitical intelligence support to the oil & gas industry, the financial sector and leading technology firms.
Edwin Tran is a global security intelligence analyst focused on the Levantine region. He works in private sector intelligence and is interested in political legitimacy, institutions, and civil society. He is also deeply interested in the history of the Eurasian Steppe (hosting the Nomads and Empires podcast). Edwin holds degrees in History and International Affairs, and has published work in various newspapers and academic journals, and has spent time living and researching in the Levant region.
The production team:
Producer: Edwin Tran
Researcher: Colin Reed
Additional credit goes to several unnamed members of the Encyclopedia Geopolitica team, as well as our colleagues in the intelligence and security community who helped to make this podcast possible
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